Jim Bordwine

Jim Bordwine, Retired Pipefitter, Living History Reenactor; Poor Valley, Virginia:

"I’ve been doing livin’ history for twenty-eight years now. I started out doin’ confederate cavalry mounted; took the horse wherever I went. After several years of that, I decided I was too old to keep falling off the horse. So now I concentrate on teaching about salt; why salt was so important. Folks don’t seem to realize it ain’t been that long ago our parents and grandparents were still living without electricity in these mountains. So when they’d have meat that they had to keep, there weren’t refrigerators, they had to salt that meat down to keep it from spoiling. And that’s what salt’s importance all through history was, was to preserve meat.

We were blessed there at the town of Saltville (Virginia). There was a huge body of salt in the ground, and they’ve made salt there for thousands of years. The town’s history actually goes back to the Ice Age. Back in those days, there was salt water springs flowin’ out of the hills. There was a salt-water lake in the bottom of the valley and that was drawing the big animals like the mammoth and the mastodon in there to lick up that salt around the edge of the lake. Well, the hunters that followed those animals in there when found this place, they realized it was something special. They stayed there and became the tribes that we know today as the Cherokee and the Euchee, different tribes like that. They stayed there and they started making salt and trading to other tribes. 

When tribes would come in there to get the salt, they may be the worst enemies in the world, but once they entered that valley they had to be on their best behavior. Now once they got outside the valley, all bets were off, but once they were in Saltville valley itself, they had to behave themselves. They traveled (from Kentucky & beyond) that far, to get the salt. It was used for other things, too; tan hides to make leather, but it’s main thing was to preserve meat. 

Now those Indians lived there, they made salt for hundreds and hundreds of years and then in 1567, Spanish soldiers came in and wiped out the village. Then it wasn’t called Saltville, it was called Maniatique. Spanish soldiers had a camp down where Morganton, North Carolina is now. They were running around in the mountains being Spanish soldiers. Spanish soldiers in those days weren’t very nice. Well, the main chief up here at Maniatique heard about’em. He sent word to them he didn't’ like what he was hearing. He said, “Ya’ll get out of my mountains, you leave now, if you don’t leave right now I’m gonna come down there and kill you all and I’ll eat you and your dogs.” For an Indian to tell you he’s gonna kill ya’ and eat ya’, that’s a big insult.

The Spanish captain decided he couldn’t put up with that kind of insult, so he marched fifteen soldiers into the village, and according to the records, they killed over a thousand Indians and burnt fifty of their lodges. Now the reason we got the story, one of the main chief’s daughters was a young girl, probably wasn’t ten or twelve years old, she was captured in the raid and was taken back to the (Spanish) village; which was a place called Santa Elena, was where Parris Island, South Carolina is now. As she got older, she become what they called a Christianized savage. She joined a catholic church, took a Spanish name, and if I remember correctly, she ended up marrying one of the soldiers that captured her to start with; so then her name was Malena Menendez.

The reason we know this story, a professor, the guy that was the head chemist professor at Virginia Tech for about twenty years, a guy named Dr. Jim Glanville, he was researching the chemical entry there in Saltville. He actually got the records from Seville, Spain where they told this story ‘bout bein’ captured and the water coming out of the hills and everything so that’s how come we finally got the story. And it’s kinda shaken up Virginia history cause you know yourself we were always taught Pocahontas, John Smith, 1607. They told us Pocahontas was Virginia’s first princess, well guess what, we had one forty years earlier over in the other end of the state. So, that’s kinda cool I think. 

Now, the white settlers didn’t start moving in until 1750. By that time the lake had disappeared, they had no idea there was salt under the valley. General Campbell, of Kings Mountain fame, he was having salt shipped in here from Williamsburg, Virginia by wagon. So now you stop and think about that. Williamsburg from Saltville today is a good seven or eight hour trip on good highways with cars. Can you imagine doing it two hundred-fifty years ago with an old wagon and a couple of oxen with no highways or nothin’? So that’s just like I said, goes to show you how much importance they placed on the salt. 

One day, one of the early settlers was out roamin’ around the hills and he stumbled across one of the salt water springs still flowin’. Well, the old light went off. You know they got an idea and started makin’ salt for their own use. So it became a huge business. Now, from the late 1700’s on, in fact, William King, who founded Kingsport, Tennessee, was a salt maker. That’s why Kingsport is there. He was shipping salt down to his port on the river. They kept making’ salt there, it got to be a big business.

Think about something. In the 1860’s, your average working man, if he had a good year, he might make a hundred, or a hundred and twenty-five dollars for that year’s work. In 1864, that one-year alone, even though we fought two major battles, we sold a hundred million dollars worth of salt. That’s 1864 dollars! How many businesses’ today can say they’ve done a hundred million dollars worth of business last year?

A lot of family fortunes were made there. The Stewart family you hear so much about over cross the mountain from us, the Stewart Land and Cattle, Jeb Stewart, who was the cavalry commander, Army Northern Virginia, his brother William Alexander, was living there in Saltville. He owned part of the Saltworks, so he was making a lot of money. The Preston family, I think they ended up going to Columbia, South Carolina getting into politics and stuff.

Are you familiar with the Martha Washington Inn? That was originally a house for the Preston’s. They needed something’ to do with all that money they were making. They built that big house down there in Abingdon. That just gives you an idea how important salt was in those days. 

It was a huge business. In 1892, a British company bought up the salt works, they made salt for a few years. But then around 1900 their scientists discovered by adding electricity and a couple other ingredients to that salty water they’d make chemicals out of it. So we had a big chemical industry there for about seventy years. The Air Force had a plant there and they were making’ something called hydrazine. Hydrazine is rocket fuel. The first man on the moon was put there by fuel made right over here in ole’ Saltville, Virginia. So when I’m talking’ to school kids I say “How cool is it that Neil Armstrong filled up with gas here ‘fore he went on his trip?” 

Living back in these mountains, you know the old Scots-Irish that come in here and the German settlers that were very independent people, stand up for themselves, wouldn't take guff off anybody. They thought it was their right back there in the old days to make moonshine for themselves. And when the government bucked against it, we had the whiskey rebellion. They thought it was our God-given right to make it ‘cause it was all coming from the earth you know. So that’s why they’d fight over that. And you know, even today, people back in these mountains are still very independent. They don’t like the government telling us what we can and can’t do. I’m not saying we’re anti-government. All these people fought for years to keep the Union together and fought in all the wars America ever had. But don’t come over here and tell us we can’t grow what we want to on our land or we can’t do what we want to on our own land. We’re just still very independent and very bullheaded about authority I guess. We figure we know how to live on our own, we don’t ask for nothing, we don’t expect to be told how to live. 

Hillbillies were just people that lived back in these mountains. People make fun of our accents, the way we talk. But if you start thinking about it though, they have proven that, our accents, the words we use, date back to Elizabethan English. We’re talking like the settlers that come over here in the 1600’s back into these hills. It’s pure. It’s very pure. One thing that breaks my heart today in schools is they’re doin’ their best to teach our youngins’, “Don’t say taters. Don’t say winder. Don’t say what cha doin’ over there?” They want you to speak this proper English. And I tell folks, “I ain’t English, and I ain’t gonna speak proper English.” I’m a southern American, I’ve worked these mountains, this was the way we was taught to talk.

I think every school ought to be teaching a class on local history and about our culture and our heritage. This is something near and dear to my heart. We’re unique. There were good folks here before we come to this country, but these mountains, these people are unique. It’s something you ain’t gonna find nowhere else in the world".

Scott Pryor

Scott Pryor, Tire Wholesaler; Blountville, Tennessee: 

"I was born in Michigan, Detroit, Michigan. My mom moved when we were real little and everything. Got away from up there. She liked it up here so we moved here.

I work in a tire warehouse. We wholesale tires to retail stores. 

(Been working with cars) probably about 20 years. I was building a 68 Camaro and ended up having to sell it. Then I bought this one. Took me about ten years [to complete].

It’s a 1931 Ford Sedan, 2 door, top’s been chopped, three and a half inches, frame’s been boxed in. It’s got a 373 Posi rear end under it, 350-turbo transmission with the B&M shifter, 3500 stall. It’s got a 350 in it and a 44 Fat Man front end under it; hardwood floors and dash. I bought the wood over here at Lowe’s. 

There’s a lot of car shows around here, lot of hot rods and street rods; always find the old cars up in the mountains. Buddy of mine had it [this car] in the garage. It was all to pieces when I got it and everything. It had a little four-cylinder Jeep motor in it. I got it, took it home, stripped it all the way down to the frame and started from the frame up. 

[Has been living in Blountville] probably about 37 years. I got a grandma who lives in Knoxville, aunts and uncles. My mom’s actually originally from here. My other grandma, her mom is from here. (My mom) she’s retired and my stepdad’s retired. He built a ‘38 Dodge and he just ended up selling it a couple of weekends ago. We was at a car show in Elizabethton and a guy came up, was interested in it and bought it. 

I gotta do bit more interior work and stuff to it. I got a fortune in this one. I would like to do another Camaro if I can find one".

Kyler James Mclendon and Kaleb Mclendon

Kyler James Mclendon and Kaleb Mclendon, Twins, Age 10, Members of the Harlan County Boys and Girls Club; Harlan, Kentucky:

Kyler: We had to share a lot of stuff and lot of things, you know, that we’ve got. We probably have to spend more time together, than any other brothers and sisters. Yeah. And we share, we used to share a room.

Kaleb: But I moved to live at my grandma’s house.

Kyler: I’m always putting up with him, fussing.

Kaleb: It’s me putting up with fussing.

Kyler: Yeah, I kind of accidentally pushed him in the pool.

Kaleb: With my phone in my pocket. It’s not an iPhone, it’s an iPod. Messed it up. Won’t even turn on any more.

Kyler: Yes, kind of accident. Still got mine. It’s not turned on right now. I loaned it, so you could make a bunch of skins.

Kaleb: He’s loaned it like one time, since it happened, and it happened like three weeks ago.

I play basketball and play X-Box. I like living in the mountains cause there ain’t no tornadoes, hurricanes, and stuff. If they fly out, go up a hill, I can just hide up in the mountain. 

Kyler: I like living in the mountains, because of the same thing he does. My favorite thing to do is to play basketball and football, and I like a lot X-Box and sometimes me and Kaleb, we have a trampoline at home, but with a basketball goal hooked up to it, so we can play basketball on a trampoline.

My grandma? Well, she’s kind of loud, on occasion, when him and my brother are fussing. And she gets loud, and then she’s quiet. She’s sick. She gets sick a lot. She takes medicine, medication for her heart, and the medication for her heart is making her hurt in her stomach. It’s bad. 

Kaleb: My mamma is seventy, and my papaw is seventy-nine. My mamma can hardly walk and papaw has one leg. The blood circulation wasn’t going to it, so it started to rot, and they had to cut it off.

Kyler: My mom went to jail, when I was seven months, and I was living in Ohio, so when she went to jail they put me in foster care, up for adoption. Well, my mamma got us, all eight (Referring to brothers and sisters) of us.

My dad’s in Ohio. I’m going to visit him, probably in a week. Kaleb don’t like to stay places far from his mamma. He doesn’t like that.
Well, right now we’re all in one house, because my mom, she tore a ligament in her leg. She stepped on a rake, and she can’t walk on it now. She said that she’d have to go to Corbin to get surgery for it.

Kyler: (I want to be) an NBA basketball player.

Kaleb: Same thing.

Kyler: He gonna be NFL and basketball.

Kaleb: I don’t like football.

Kyler: I’m gonna play college football. I’m never gonna play NFL, unless if I’m like hopeful.

Kyler: Kentucky Wildcats! Well, they won. They made it to the championship, and then they made it to the Final Four, and they got beat out by Wisconsin. Then they went through the whole season, and got thirty and 0, first people.

Kaleb: Thirty-eight and 0.

Kyler: The first people to ever make that, and then they tried to make it their forty, you know. That’s the world record up there, and they couldn’t make it to that, because they got beat out of the Final Four. They was thirty-eight and 0 in all. I like Tyler Lewis or Willie Cauley-Stein or Devin Booker.

Kaleb: When I’m around all my family, we’re like all cooking out and stuff… talking, running, and playing.

Kyler: One time Kaleb hit me. I went like this, and my nose started bleeding.

Kaleb and Kyler: Yep, I love soup beans and cornbread and spaghetti.
Kyler: One time Kaleb dared me to put soup beans inside my spaghetti, and then I eat it, and it was good. I mean, you can eat it all.

Kaleb: I don’t go in the mountains.

Kyler: Sometimes I go up there and look around, and go get mountain water and drink it. It ain’t that clean, but another brother and I got a big jug of it, and that water had like dirt all in it. 

Kyler: I didn’t go. If I went all the way to the top, it probably would of have taken me like half a day.

Kaleb: I love pizza!

(In regard to taking their photograph):

Kyler: I don’t know. Can we be holding a ball, a basketball?

(In response to my request to put their arms around each other.)
No. Nah.

Kyler: How about I have a football, and he has a basketball. We haven’t done that.

(Second request to put arms around each other.)

Kyler and Kaleb: Nah. OK.

Janice Dean

Janice Dean, Student, Teen Staff Member at the Harlan County Boys and Girls Club, Age 13; Evarts, Kentucky:

“I go to Black Mountain Elementary, but I’m gonna be going to Harlan County High School. (Nervous about going into high school), new people, bigger environment, harder classes.

I like to draw, I like to read, I like to crochet. I like to do a lot of things. I mainly read kinda more of the adventure love novels. Here lately the biggest series I’ve gotten into is the Immortal Series. 

When I graduate, I’m gonna be seventeen so I’m gonna get a part time job or two until I’m eighteen. And then when I turn eighteen I'm going to go to a college and the college that I want to go to is either MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, or Harvard. I’m on my academic team and get good grades, so I guess I’m fairly smart. I’m mainly good at math and science, so. 

Most of the boys, they’re like, ‘I love hunting and riding motorcycles!’ Me, sketching and reading, I’m a book nerd. Being a nerd, it’s a compliment. I don’t know exactly the definition of a nerd, but most people say it’s like smart people or people who like anime. Whenever I get out of college I’m either going to be a physicist, a mathematician, or a therapist. That’s a whole ‘nother field, but I like psychiatry and I like to help people.

Whenever I was really little, like maybe a year or two, I lived in Ohio, but we moved over here because it was better than Ohio. 

My dad’s from here. My dad is a coal miner. He gets home really, really grouchy because he says that a lot of people at work are kinda stupid and don’t know what they’re doing. He is the person who runs the trains and stuff and he’s the only one up there that knows how to do it. He (also) helps my papaw. He helps him out with the work that he does (in the mines). I think it's good for now to where we still have (coal), but eventually in the future we’re gonna have to find some other source of energy because we are running low on it and it’s slowly diminishing and people are overusing it. My dad has a messed up back from working in the mines. You know, there’s just a lot of problems that come out of (working there) like a lot of sickness and physical problems. My grandpa, he actually has to limp. He has bad lungs and his back does hurt. 

I don’t exactly live in the mountains; I live by mountains. It’s kinda fun cause you can see like all the pretty sights and everything, and plus, you can like, sketch them out.” 

Hillbilly? No, I’m more city because everyone who says that they’re a hillbilly usually likes the country. I despise it. Well honestly, and plus hillbillies, they have this kinda weird accent, which I might have it and just not realize it, but people tell me I talk more proper.

One of my happiest times, it was winter. I was eight and we just got done being outside building a snowman. And my dad has a four-wheeler so he ties our sled to the back of the four-wheeler and takes us sledding on the road.

One of my saddest times was probably whenever my cousin Daisy, who lives in Ohio (died). We only got to see her a few times, and she passed away because she had a really bad heart condition. She was only bout two years old.

We don’t go to Ohio as much. There’s not really much difference besides maybe like the way the houses look and the neighborhoods. To me, personally, around Harlan the neighborhoods all seem to be fairly well, but in Ohio they’re some neighborhoods that are really, really well and some that are like, in bad condition.

I like the outdoors, but my mom and dad don’t like me in the mountains too much cause they’re scared of snakes and stuff. 

The closest thing that I think that I’ve had to mountain food would probably be deer meat, and I only eat it in chili, but it’s really good. I like cornbread if it’s sweet. Soup beans, I despise them. My favorite things to eat, I like junk food a lot and I also like fruits. So, so my favorite is blueberries and cheesecake.

The Boys and Girls Club, it’s a really good place to be for kids. Especially if they are having like either home problems or school problems ‘cause they always have someone that they can talk to. Even the teen staff, like me and Cheyenne and Zach, they can still come to us and we won’t be like ‘No, we can’t help you or don’t talk to me.’ It’s a friendly environment. It means that you help out the younger ones and it means you also help out the staff.

I’m not gonna say names, but there’s this girl, she’s having boy problems to where she likes a guy but he’s kinda rude to her. So I’m trying to help her understand she doesn’t have to change herself for him.”