Becky Claxon

“I’ve about got my kids raised, and they’ll go to college, and yeah, I feel I’ve done my job. I don’t think I was made to be famous. This was my purpose. I’ve served my purpose.”

Becky Claxon, Works at Kinner Lumber; Greenup, Kentucky: 

“I haven’t lived in town all my life. I grew up about three miles from here, and then I moved about twenty-five miles, and then I moved back. [As kids] we were really involved in sports. Mostly Little League, and then we played basketball, oncewe got a little bit older. They used to have dances in town, and dances after school, and stuff like that, but our parents kept us involved in a sport all the time.

My dad worked for Mansbach Metal, and I work with my mom at the hardware store. It’s not family-owned, but almost everybody that works there is somehow related in one way, or another.

I loved high school. I just liked being there. We had a large class, but we were really close knit. Since then people’s went their separate ways, but most of them I’m still friends with. A lot of them moved away, and then some of them came back. We have a pretty successful class. Some of them work with the school, school board. I think there are a couple doctors. A few work at the hospital as nurses. 

Almost everybody knows each other. It’s almost like the six degrees kind of thing. You can always trace back, and then somebody’s like, ‘Oh, I know them. I think there is a friendlier group of people. That’s been my experience anyway.

Our family’s really close. I have a sister and a brother, and my sister has two small kids, but it’s like we all raise each other’s children. Whoever drops off at school, the other one would pick up, and there have been times where this one’s had to take that one. My sister and me look alike, so everybody just thinks one of us has a whole bunch of kids. 

I spent a lot of time with my Grandma Blanche. She’s passed away, but we’d always take her to town, and she liked to get a hamburger. She was just full of life and fun [and] she liked a good time. If she had money, you had money. It was that kind of thing. She had a stroke, and it was hard for her to get in and out, but she always wanted to go. We had a truck, and I would have to haul a cinder block around for her to step up in the truck, because she couldn’t just pull herself up in it. 

Then my Grandma Ruby, she lost her husband, when I was five, and I can remember bits and pieces of him. He liked to eat raw bacon. He did. I can remember that, and I can remember he would try to give it to my brother, and my mom’s like, ‘He’s not eatin’ that. He’s not eatin’ that.’ Grandma Ruby, you would go to her house and she would have on wrestling, gospel music on the radio, and cooking dinner at the same time. She did it all at the same time! She made the best fried potatoes, but my dad makes the best salmon patties. 

My Grandma Blanche, she was married a couple of times, but as long as I can remember, she just did things on her own. My Grandma Ruby had fourteen children, so she had to be a strong woman. I think there were seven girls and seven boys, so I’m sure she had her hands full. They all turned out to be good people, you know. You think larger families, somebody’s going to get out of the way, but they’ve not, and they’ve all remained pretty close for the most part.

[My grandparents taught me] hard work and honesty. If you want something, you have to work for it. You can’t just expect somebody to give it to you. My mom does this thing with my kids. You know growing up you see drugs come and go. You see some really good people fall into that. She set them all down, and told them there’s a family circle. You can move around in that family circle, but once you get outside of it, don’t expect to come back in it if you’re going to do something that brings shame to yourself, and shame to your family. So, far, knock on wood. 

I do think that’s why a lot of them haven’t been in trouble, they have stayed close, they have each other’s back [and] somebody can always go to somebody if they need to. I tell Breanna that you don’t know, I may not be there, but somebody is watching you at all times. Her group of friends that she’s been with since Kindergarten and the parents are all the same. We all loaf together, so we’ve got some pretty good kids. They’re all going to do some things, but for the most part, I think they’ve turned out okay.

That’s all we talk about, is those kids. Breanna, she’s my adventurer, she wants to go and do. She’s always had big dreams to go away. I don’t want her just to pigeonhole herself here. I do want her to go away, and whatever she decides to do, I’d hope she’d be able to bring it back and do it. If you keep pushing people away, then you’re not going to be left with anything, just a bunch of empty buildings. But if she goes away, I’ll be all right with it.

[Breanna] was an easy baby, always has been an easy child, never give me any trouble. [Then] the twins came along. She’s been a big help with them. To think that you’ve survived those two boys. Each time they go out that door, it’s like we made it another day. (Laughs).

The boys, one was born at sixty years old. He thinks he’s a Vietnam veteran. He’s a history buff. The other one, Chase, is really quiet, but sneaky into stuff. It’s nothing to get a call from school [about] something one of them’s done. It’s not really anything horrible. It’s just they think they’re old men, so they just say and do whatever comes to mind. They’re real outdoorsy. They like to hunt and fish, and ride dirt bikes, and all kinds of stuff like that.

Breanna was in Kindergarten, and at the time you actually got to go in, walk back, and stand by the classroom door. Now you have to stand, they buzz you in, and wait for them to come out. One day, her teacher opened the door. She said, ‘I need to talk to you. Is Breanna Gail’s last name, Claxon?’ I said, ‘Yeah.’ She said, ‘She told me her last name is Treehorn, and she’s from an Indian tribe.’ Breanna believed it. We don’t know why. She likes to read a lot, so I don’t know if it’s something she read. But those boys, they, they’re something else. Yeah, that’s been my happiest time, is with them [the kids]. 

(Stereotypes) I think we’re smarter than what we’re given credit for. I know we have a twang, and all that, but that doesn’t mean we’re ignorant people. We learn things in a different way. We’re more of a hands-on society, instead of just reading it from a book and learning it, but I just don’t think they give us credit. It’s the same thing here at the high school. [Other schools] don’t see them as good kids, and [they area] really smart, really talented bunch of kids. It’s been this way for years though. It’s always, ‘ Aww, you know, we’re Greenup County.’ They kind of laugh and go on. I got a fine education there. I think other people did, too. It’s all in what you put in it, and for the most part the teachers there are really good teachers. But you have to put something into it, to get anything out of it. 

I like it here, and some people are like, ‘Why do you want to live here? I’d go here. I’d go there.’ I’ve always liked it here. I just like the people, and I was thinking about it the other day, because somebody said something about the age of my friends. They range anywhere from that little girl, two years old, to a hundred. I just think everybody here’s nice, and even the ones that some consider bad people, you have to talk to them and respect [them]. 

I don’t like to travel a whole lot. I don’t really like to go three hours away from home, and I don’t like to stay gone longer than a couple days. I like to be back home. It’s just the way I’ve always been. I guess I’m afraid I’m going to miss something here, or something’s going to happen, and I’m not going to be able to get back.

We have some plants that kind of fuel [the economy] here. Railroad, a little bit, [but it has] declined. I would hope, that there would be a big revitalization, [in town] and not totally change it. I don’t want to take away from the buildings. I just want people to appreciate what they have, and don’t think some of them know what they have here. It’s going to take hard work and all that, but you know you’ve got to put something into it, or we’re just going to be setting here.

If I was going to have a meeting with people, [I’d} say, ‘This is how we’re going to fix [it here]. We need to draw in. We have to have something for kids here.’ If I ever hit the lottery, I told them the first thing I’m doing is build a YMCA, because for our kids to do anything, they have to drive. We have a park that’s really nice. [It has a] basketball court, but as far as movies, bowling, skating, anything, they have to drive to do it. There needs to be something for the young, and not just the kids, for the twenty and thirty year olds, like a café. They do have a new, Iittle restaurant across the street. I think we need to stay open later. Really at 5:00, other than the library staying open late two days a week, [everything] is closed. They need to open up something new, like a bookstore, or a coffeehouse where people could come in and sing. [It] doesn’t have to be a grand scale, just something for them.

I used to play the clarinet. I love music. Our radio is on more than our TV is because all of the kids like music. I like live music. I just like to see people put themselves out there, and I think that’s another thing that people from Appalachia don’t get credit for. They do put themselves out there. It would take a lot to get up on the stage, and play music, and sing, and be judged, basically while you’re up there.

It takes a thick skin to be from Appalachia, because there’s a stigma. You have to just let that roll off your back, and go on, and not pay attention to it. 

I love to dance. I go to the Senior Citizen’s Dance Hall on Friday nights. I’ve always liked to dance. I like to do Zumba. I like to paint, but not pictures. I like to paint furniture. I’m not really crafty that way, I just like to paint, and I love to talk. (Laughs). 

They used to have square dances here, right in the street, and that was back when they had the big skirts. My aunt used to do that, and she had the fanciest costumes and the shoes. She probably still has some of them. We used to come watch them dance. Grandma Blanche, she liked to dance, and I think that’s probably where I get it.

I consider myself a well-rounded person, even though I don’t like to travel. I love to read, and I love to talk to people, so I think that I’ve done all right. I’ve about got my kids raised, and they’ll go to college, and yeah, I feel I’ve done my job. I don’t think I was made to be famous. This was my purpose. I’ve served my purpose. 

Probably one of the toughest times was my divorce, not really sad. I won’t get into the whole story, because it got ugly, but that was probably the toughest time because I felt let down. Breanna was sixteen, and Trace and Chase were eleven. It will be a year in October. 

I’ll tell you two ways it changed me. I kind of got lost in that marriage, and it was nothing that either one of us did. You have this mindset of what a marriage is, what you should be doing as your job. I like to laugh, and cut up, and carry on, but I didn’t do that. Now I’ve got that back, honestly I like him better now that we’re divorced. He is there more for the kids. He’s a different person. He seems happy, and we get along just fine. He went through some really tough times, and I was there for him. When he just decided to call it quits, you’re kind of like, ‘Twenty years and that that’s what I get?’

Honestly, we should have just been friends. I see that now. I’m happy for [him], and I still talk to him every day, sometimes four times a day. We get along a lot better [and] that was a good thing that came out of it.

(How do you want to be remembered?) I do get aggravated with people, and I’ll cut up on them, but I really like people. I like to be around people. That’s what I want people to remember. I did the best I could, and that if you needed help, I was there to help you. [I don’t want to be remembered for] how much money I had, or what I didn’t have, or what my house looked like, because that’s all material. I want to leave something behind that’s going to change somebody in a positive way. Sometimes I don’t always make headway in that, but I keep trying.

I like you until you prove me wrong, and then don’t make a fool out of me. But then I’m the kind, also, that always likes to give you a second chance. You only go around once, so you might as well make it a good one.”

Rebecca Tucker

“I feel like that Appalachia is a magnifying glass for the rest of the country’s issues.”

Rebecca Tucker, Educator; Somerset, Kentucky:

“I was raised in Somerset. I’ve got family that goes back four generations if not more, but that’s as far back as the stories usually [go]. I’ve got a whole mess of family in Somerset, a big family, and lots of folks that get together every year. The high school I went to was the same high school my grandpa went to. I’ve got a lot of support in that community. Between my family and my hometown church I grew up in, it seems like every time I go back people are happy to see me so it’s a good place to be raised.

I grew up on a farm. Our farm bordered a trailer park, and for some reason my family didn’t encourage me to go play in the trailer park and so I just played in the farm. We had a pond, had creeks and trees to climb and we would just ramble all over the farm and hang out inside. I played video games a lot with my brother and sister. We played Zelda until our fingers fell off. [We did] typical stuff and typical kids, I think that all over the nation do except maybe a bit more outside stuff every once in a while.

It’s a real basic farm. My dad calls himself a bad farmer. He has some cows, and right now the cows just roam free across the farm. We have an electric fence that’s not turned on. We have a fence around the perimeter. We haven’t mowed the lawn all summer, so I guess that makes it good. The cows keep the lawn kind of short and fertilized, nice and heavily and fertilized. We’ve got some honeybees right now and none of us are really good at any of it, but its fun to do. We extracted honey last week and that was fun and it’s cool to see all that. I’ve learned a lot from my dad. He’s part of the Kentucky State Bee Association and so he learns a lot from those groups. There’s a bee group in Pulaski County. They all trade information; they get together and talk about bee keeping and how to take care of the bees. He got me a jacket so that I could go out and help him and I’ve been stung the last three times I’ve been out there. 

We [raised a garden] last year. We’re real lazy this summer. What we did instead of having a garden, we bought into a CSA from Community Supported Agriculture in Pulaski County. It’s only been recently that I moved back to Somerset. I was living in Jackson County and commuting to Clay County and then some things changed and then we went back, we’re staying at my dad’s farm right now, with him.

I graduated in 2005, and I went straight into Berea College. I didn’t want to go to Berea at first, because it’s only forty-five minutes away from Somerset. I didn’t want to go to school so close to home. I was interested at first going to UK or even father, but Berea ended up being the only school I applied to and it was a really good fit. Berea is a really small community, and they really support the students and make it a positive environment to grow up.

After Berea, I went straight into my Master’s program at University of Kentucky. I got my Master’s there in Public Policy. I had an awesome time learning about Public Policy and I really felt at that point, I’m ready; I’m going to go work in [the] non-profit world, or I’m going to go work for the Legislative Research Commission or I’m going to go work in some local government. Instead, my husband and I got married right after I graduated from my Master’s Program, and we went to South Korea and lived there for two years. 

People say, ‘how was it living in South Korea?’ You didn’t have to worry about anything. We didn’t have to have a car; you had public transportation anywhere we wanted to go, we had health insurance from our employer. We didn’t have much vacation while we were there, but it was fun to live there and easy to live there. You miss a lot of stuff when you are gone that far away [and] you can’t come home. 

The longest vacation we had while we were there was ten days in a row, and by the time you get a seven thousand mile plane flight back to America, you can’t spend ten days. It’s too far. We missed funerals, birthdays, Christmases; missed everything, so we decided to come back. We both applied for jobs with Berea, we both got accepted and we both started working for Berea again. We started working in Clay County. I was a teacher [in Korea]. We were both English as a second language instructors. [I taught] mostly to kindergartners but I’ve taught all the way up to eighteen years old. I taught a little bit of everything. It was fun. 

I think being raised in Appalachia gives you a different perspective on things. I grew up with Appalachian activists, is what I like to say. My parents were super involved with KFTC, the Kentuckians for the Commonwealth, all throughout my childhood. So, my childhood was spent going to protest and rallies and going to conferences and playing with all the other hippie kids that go to those kinds of conferences and workshops. 

For me, being an Appalachian means not taking no for an answer, and trying to figure out how to make things work, even if it’s difficult. Appalachians/hillbillies whatever you want to say, they find ways to make things work for them. For some that means turning to other sources of income that may not be very productive for the rest of society, and for others it means protesting for clean water rights, but [they are] trying to find ways to make things work for them. 

I’ve got some of that [hillbilly ingenuity]. You should see the things that we’ve made on the farm to replicate other ideas. My dad wanted to make a chicken coop, and he took the ends of two bed frames and put them on the ends of the chicken coop and then had a rail fence in between the metal bed frames like twin beds on the ends. That was the chicken coop. The chickens all got eaten by hawks or something, so now the chicken coop just sits in the yard and the cows eat around it. I take it from my dad I guess. He keeps everything in the basement. You can’t hardly walk down there for all the junk, but he always finds a use for it. It’s frustrating because I want things to be a little bit more organized, but it’s also, it’s resourcefulness. You can always use what’s there and not have to buy something new.

We have a lot of poverty, we have a lot of violence and things that can be seen on the surface. These things exist in other parts of the country, but it might be below a layer. You can focus on the group of people that you want, but in Appalachia it’s out in the open. Everybody sees everybody’s business. Maybe it’s because there’s not as many people in the area. Or maybe it’s because people like telling stories on other people, I don’t know why, but I feel like that Appalachia is a magnifying glass for the rest of the country’s issues. So, when Appalachia has intense poverty it’s there, it’s present and people talk about it and they poke fun at it because they don’t know how else to address it, because addressing it means talking about it seriously, and being able to come up with a plan of action and nobody knows what to do, because they think everything has been tried. The war on poverty has been going on for fifty years now, and it’s not anywhere close to being finished or being concluded. I feel like a lot of folks use Appalachia to make fun of because they are scared to actually talk about the problems.

[Appalachia in 10 to 20 years] I think about different communities within Central Appalachia. I think about Whitesburg and Berea and how different how those areas are from Manchester, where I’m working right now. I see Whitesburg and Berea as being more progressive towns, more accepting but I also know that the opinions of those towns in other areas [is] they see people from those towns as being elitist or being not Appalachian or being not necessarily associated with what they consider Appalachia. There has to be a space for everybody to be able to feel like they are accepted in their community. I would like to see more Whitesburgs and Bereas because I felt so at home there, but I know that other people don’t necessarily feel at home there. So it’s hard to say.

Sustainable agri-tourism would be a big benefit to our area, just because it’s been successful in parts of West Virginia, parts of Tennessee and if it can be successful there, why can’t it be successful in Eastern Kentucky? I feel that using the information revolution of having broadband internet across the region would do a lot for our area, and perhaps there’s a lot of hillbilly ingenuity, so there’s a lot of folks that are good at making stuff and good at creating things in Appalachia. Whether it be traditional hand craft goods, or music, or making something artistic and being able to utilize the power of the internet to be more entrepreneurial in Appalachia [so] that you don’t have to have a store front in Lexington, or a store front in Louisville to be an entrepreneur. You can do it from Letcher County and be able to sell it online. If you have a good or service that people want, then it can be marketed as such. It can happen.

I don’t know [if I will live in the mountains all my life]. If you’d asked me when I was in high school, ‘Rebecca, do you want to live in Appalachia?’ the answer would have been one hundred percent no. I want to go live all over the world. It’s fun to go visit Denmark, and I’ve not been to Denmark yet, [but] I could imagine visiting Denmark, and saying, ‘wow, I really like having all these bikes and I want to live here and hang out here and be part of a progressive country, not just a progressive city or progressive town, but a progressive country.’ I could see myself doing that, but right now, I’m living in Somerset and it’s pretty nice, and I’ve considered living in Whitesburg for the upcoming couple of years, and I think that’d be pretty fun. Whitesburg is a nice town.

[My heart] has got wanderlust. I always feel like I’ll travel and I’ll go visit places. I spent five weeks backpacking through Europe, ten weeks in Southeast Asia and I know that I will take more jaunts like that because I’ve got that wanderlust gene. I’ve got that desire to go see places and that’s where I’m prepared to spend my money, it’s my hobby. But I like living in the mountains. I remember being in Korea and every once in a while I’d go hiking and Korea is actually really similar as far as the trees and the climate as Appalachia. They are real similar in latitude. I’d go hiking in the mountains sometimes, and I’d put some Old Crow Medicine Show on my IPod and I would listen to that and I don’t get homesick, but I would get nostalgic and I’d feel warmth inside, I don’t even know how to explain it even. I’d feel comfortable and happy about that style of music and remember my Mom was real involved with the Master Musicians’ Festival, it’s a big festival in Somerset, and I would remember all of those times of going to the festival every year, and listening to the bluegrass music and hanging out with my whole family and community. There’s something to that. Something to having roots.

I would like to be known as a good friend, a positive mentor. Right now, I work in a high school and so I work with a lot of students and if you ask me every day do you make an amazing impact on a bunch of students, then no, I can’t do that. But there’s some students that I‘ve positively impacted and encouraged and I know that they can come to me with anything they want to talk about, so that feels like that’s worth something.”

Roy Farley

“Appalachian ingenuity: You’d never think that people here in the mountains would be so smart to come up with things that people in big cities can’t even come up with.”

Roy Farley, Welding Student; Harlan, Kentucky: 

“I grew up in a holler at the head of Cawood, called Bob’s Creek. Where we lived was at the end of an abandoned mine road, so it was pretty far up there. I had a blast growing up, I did whatever I wanted to because our closest neighbors were five miles away. We had a farm that was just right beside of our house that we helped take care of, so I ran around on the farm, played with the animals. I rode my horse [and] I guess everything that you would think a kid would want to do. I have one younger brother. 

I was close to my mother’s mom. She was a very influential lady in my life. She was ninety-two years old, passed away this December. She worked on the atomic bomb, did a lot of things with her life.

There wasn’t a whole lot she could say about it. Even when she was working on it [the atomic bomb] she didn’t know too much about it. She just pretty much knew that she was making a part that went to something. Later on, after the process was coming to a close, she found out that it was work with the atomic bomb. She took care of me whenever my Mom was working. 

I like to look back at some of the things she done, and use that as an influence for my life. There’s not many people who live to be ninety-two years old, and every day she was ready to wake up and go through the day. There were some days I caught her outside in her yard doing gardening and stuff. I thought, for a ninety-two year old lady, that was too much work, but she pushed right on through until the day she got sick, and passed away. 

My Mom was a nurse. She worked second and third shift most of my childhood. My Gramaw watched me usually throughout the day until was old enough to go to school. Sometimes, she would watch me after I got out of school until my Mom got off work, if she had to work second shift. I guess you could say she pretty much helped raise me from a pretty young age. She always used to make white gravy over toast with chipped beef in it. Sometimes, she’d take a hard-boiled egg and break the yolk up and put it on top of it.. That was my favorite thing that I remember that she made. 

My Dad was pretty much a jack-of-all-trades all my life. He was a mechanic, he was a construction worker, he ran heavy equipment, and he did a little bit of mining. I mean, anything you could think to have done, he could do it.

I went to Harlan High School. I was a Green Dragon. I didn’t really care for high school all that much. I didn’t really feel like I learned enough to make it in the real world, but I was kind of glad because I have common sense, so that helped me out along the way. I guess I kind of enjoyed high school, I had a lot of friends in high school. But I was ready to get out of there and do something different. 

There are a lot of times you could meet somebody that you would never think could come up with... say your car’s broke down or something. You might see some guy walking on the side of the road that’s like, ‘Hey man do you need some help?’ And you’re like “yeah, my car just stopped running,’ and he’s like, ‘Oh! I could probably help you fix that.’ Nine times out of ten, you could get somebody to help you fix your car on the side of the road, if you can’t do it yourself. Say you’ve got a lawnmower or something that’s broke. You could just take it to your neighbor most of the time, and they know how to fix it if you don’t know how to. I call it Appalachian ingenuity because it’s so clever. You’d never think that people here in the mountains would be so smart to come up with things that people in big cities can’t even come up with. 

I learned how to take a serpentine belt off of a Volkswagen with the motor running, that’s pretty cool. You can lose your hand if you’re not really careful. [You] take one off with a flat head screwdriver, and put it right back on the same way. 

After high school, I went to Southeast Community College and I got an Associate of Arts degree. During the summers, after high school, I hung out with a lot of my friends here and they were into skateboarding and BMX and stuff like that and so was I. I bought a video camera and started filming them. 

That pushed my passion past Southeast, so I went to Eastern Kentucky University and got a Broadcasting degree [with] an emphasis in film and film techniques and technology. I don’t get to use it as much as I had hoped to. I make money on the side with it. I do weddings, or I used to shoot football in Louisville for different teams. Some car meets that I’ve been to, I’ve filmed. I really wanted to be a filmmaker when I left Eastern, but as far as jobs like that coming around here, it’s really few and far between. I worked some odd jobs here and there.

I ended up moving back here in 2011, because my Dad was sick. He had cancer previously, and then it was in remission for five years. In 2010 it came back [and] in 2011, he passed away. I came back here to do whatever I could to help out. 

I don’t really care for big cities; they don’t tickle my fancy at all. I like being able to get on the Interstate and go places if I need to, which is one of the downfalls of living here. But I think it makes the town a lot quieter. Seems like everywhere there are interstates, there’s violence. 

We don’t have the opportunities like people in big cities do. If I need something that I can’t get here, I have to order it and get it through the mail, or if it’s something that I can physically make here instead of buying it, I would much rather do that. Right now, I’m back in school. I’m finishing up a welding degree. I’m already a certified welder, so I’m hoping by the time that I’m finished with school, by next summer, I’ll have my business started. I’m hoping to start a welding business. 

I love the hills, I love the mountains. I guess that’s what makes me a hillbilly. I love being away from the big city. I like being out near nature. Whenever I left here and went to Eastern, I actually had somebody ask me if I had floors in my house or if we walked on dirt. That was really offensive and very embarrassing to have to answer a question like that. The stereotypes around here are pretty bad. You just learn to live with them, but it’s pretty offensive in my opinion. It’s not something that pokes fun of somebody’s race or their gender, it pokes more fun at our intellectual capability. The stereotypes lead people to think that people from the mountains are more stupid than other people are, and that’s definitely not the case. 

It’s a very rich culture. If you’ve never been exposed to it, you’d probably be pretty shocked. A lot of my friends, whenever I left here and went to school in Richmond, their families were just small families. Mom, Dad, sister, brother and that’s it. Around here, you have a lot of families that are extended family. You may have aunts that live with you, or some of your family may live at home with their Mom and Dad. You may live with your Grandma. Appalachian people are just a lot closer knit and the culture’s rich and deep. 

In my spare time I build scale, automotive replica cars. That’s pretty much my mainstay hobby, I try to make a little bit of money on it on the side. I love the car culture. I try to incorporate all of that in everything that I like to do. Toyota Supra is one of my favorite cars, Nissan Skyline GTR. I like Japanese cars a lot, but I also like domestic cars, too. I used to have a ‘69 Chevelle. If I could go back and have any car, it’d be a ‘69 Chevelle. They’re just awesome. 

Right now my family is here, my fiancée and our daughter. My Mom still lives here. I’ll probably live here for the foreseeable future, pretty close to Harlan [or] maybe Whitesburg or somewhere close. I’d like to stay pretty close to the mountains for as long as I can. It’s nice and quiet here, and I enjoy that a lot. 

The way the economy and stuff is right now, it’s putting things in a really hard position for a lot of people. The job loss especially is really hard for people, and it’s affecting a lot of people my age. It’s really tough to say what I think’s going to happen here five or ten years down the road. We need to focus on something other than coal. I don’t think coal is going to be a renewable resource for us, and I think it’s foolish if we continue to waste time on it. It’s obviously not going to be here forever. 

We need to take some clues from the communities around us, and try to do something better. That way, Harlan lives on for a lot longer than five or ten more years. It’ll be here five or ten years down the road, but who’s to say that it’s not going to be a ghost town by then? The abandoned mine land funds should help quite a bit. It seems like in the towns that are trying to reclaim some of the mine land, some of the things that they’re doing, they’re doing pretty good at it. If we can get some businesses in here and reclaim some of the land and start some kind of employment, whether it be several small shops, some kind of large production facility. something needs to come here to help stimulate the economy and put some jobs back in. 

That’s the reason why a lot of people go to drugs and stuff around here. They found a meth lab up the street from my house about a week ago, under a bridge. It’s pretty bad around here. It’s really sad, I never would’ve thought that it would’ve got this bad when I was younger. 

Losing some family members; my grandmother, my father, my fiancée’s Papaw, was pretty hard. My fiancée’s sister, her fiancée was murdered a couple years ago here. That was pretty traumatic. That’s been something that we’ve all had a hard time trying to overcome and get past. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes that I don’t think a lot of people know about. 

Right now’s a pretty happy time in my life. We’ve got a good family going on, nothing’s going wrong right now. 

My legacy’s already kind of been fulfilled, from my dad. A lot of people that live here know my dad, and they know me by proxy. I have lived up to his legacy because he was a big car guy, and I’m a pretty big car guy, too, so every car guy around here knows me. I just want to be known as the guy that could do pretty much anything he wanted to do. I’d rather fix something myself, than pay somebody else to do it. 

I like living here. I hope that things can get better for the economy here. I hope that more people can continue to come together [and] some ideas can be thrown around and some progress can be made in our county.”

Tami Booher

“In everything about being Appalachian, there’s some dark, and there’s some beauty. I like to stay on the happy side, though.”

Tami Booher, Artist; Sandy Hook, Kentucky:

I’m a transplant. I’ve been here six years. I come from Wise County, Virginia, and then I lived in North Carolina for twenty-four years, so I’ve kind of moved around just a little bit. I grew up in Wise County, in St Paul, Virginia. I did a lot of roaming of the hills, walking up and down the railroad tracks. Spent a lot of time in nature. Feeding chickens, I did some of that. Going after the cows, I did a lot of that. My grandmother seemed to think children needed to stay busy, so sometimes we cleaned rocks off the hill. (Laughs) 

As soon as I could hold a pencil, I was drawing. Drawing was my thing to do, and I drew horses a lot when I was little, and I made creatures. I had dogs, who wore skirts. (Laughs). I did a lot of that when I was a kid.

I have five sisters and a brother. The brother’s the baby. (Laughs) They all still live in the area. I’m the only one who kind of moved around. Well, my second sister, she moved around a little bit, but she went back to the area. 

My father was some kind of machinist. He lived In Illinois for a while, and he got his back hurt, so he was disabled. He just did here and there things. I don’t really know what he did, and my mom would stay at home. 

I played softball. That was my favorite thing to do. I was a left-handed second baseman. I usually had to do this little twirl to get to the first base, but I had a good throw. Roaming the hills, on my own was really my favorite thing to do. I spent a lot of time thinking, watching things. 

I’m honored to be Appalachian. I don’t think there’s nothing in the world I’d rather be. I look at it from the woman’s aspect; they’ve always been real strong. They’ve always been real family oriented. I feel like I’m strong. I’m strong-minded. There isn’t nothing I can’t accomplish, if I want to accomplish it. I don’t know that I’d feel that way if I was raised softer. We were raised rough. We were poor, and I didn’t realize it when I was a child, because we always had food, but we were poor. We didn’t have a whole lot, but I don’t think I would appreciate everything I have now [otherwise].

I tend to always fall back referencing my grandmother. I adored her more than anybody in the world. I just loved that little, old woman. I used to work in North Carolina with children that had mental health issues. I always found myself going back to my grandma, living on that farm, and I’d always find myself referencing things, the way things were done, and the things we had to do, and the whuppings we’d get. I lost her when I was twelve, but she stuck with me more than anybody.

My uncle is a year younger than me, and we were like brothers and sisters. We fought like brothers and sisters. We’d be around the corner of the house fighting, screaming, yelling at each other, and everything, and my grandma would come around with a switch, and she’d swarp both of our legs, and we’d both look at each other. We’d be bawling, and she’d go back around the house. We’d look at each other, and I’d blame him, and he’d blame me, and then we’d go back at it again. I got plenty of stripes on my legs. 

She was an excellent cook. I can make cathead biscuits and gravy, and I learned that from her. I didn’t realize I was learning it at the time, but as I got older, that just became something natural to me. She never actually had me cook anything, but something about what she was doing on that old cookstove stuck with me. Her cornbread and her beans, I just loved that stuff, and I still love it. And those no-bake cookies! I have yet to find anybody that I feel like makes those no-bake cookies taste like hers did. I think it’s because they use that artificial sugar, or whatever it is that people are using now. I have never found any that tasted like hers, and I can get pretty close. 

Our family put together a family book at one of the family reunions. Thirteen brothers and sisters for my grandma, and they were doing family reunions, up till this year. They’re not going to be able to do it anymore, because everybody’s gotten older and unable to. I learnt some stuff in the family book I didn’t know. I knew my grandma was God-fearing and all, but I didn’t know that she always said her prayers ever morning. I just didn’t know them things about her. [If I could ask her one more question] I guess I might ask her why she had that God-awful wallpaper on her ceiling. (Laughs). I’d always feel like I could see a face in that thing looking at me. It was so freaky to sleep there. I’d wake up and see that thing. It was terrible.

There was always a big garden, and they did tobacco. They had cows and chickens. She didn’t believe anybody should be lazy or sit around. I’m a little lazy. I’m an artist. (Laughs) But now, when I’m at it, I’m a hard worker. I think that was her thing. She was very much into hard work. And praying. Those are two things that stuck with me. Being spiritual. I’m more spiritual, I like to call myself. I feel like I’m in church, when I’m outside. 

I’m proud that I’m Appalachian. I don’t care if I had ancestors, who were moonshiners. I don’t care if I had ancestors, who did whatever. I’m kind of proud of that. Those moonshiners, they weren’t outlaws. They were hard-working men, providing for their family. And that’s the way I look at them.

Hillbilly to me, has always been a hardworking, down to earth, earth loving, peace loving [people]. Now mind you, if you cross their path in a bad way, you’d know about it. But they stood up for right, and they took care of their families, and they were just hard working, in my opinion.

Art’s been a part of me my whole life. I started painting in my early thirties. I didn’t start exploring my Appalachian heritage until I moved here to Kentucky. I was living in North Carolina, which is Appalachian, too, but is still more urban. Coming back to Kentucky was like coming back home, and I don’t know, I could feel it in my blood. It stirs in my blood, and it made me start thinking, ‘Well, what can I do to honor who I am?’ 

I got to looking at the women of our area, and they’ve got a bad rap over the years. They’re not in the history books. There’s nothing honoring them, and we wouldn’t be where we are today if it weren’t for these mothers. I started exploring my heritage, women who meant something to me. [I decided], I’m going to start doing these little paintings of these women. My little way to say, ‘thank you for being who you are.’ 

I was turning fifty-two, and I thought, ‘I need to leave something behind.’ I paint pictures. I paint nature a lot. But then I got to thinking, ‘I need to do something that tells a story.’ I kept hearing storytelling, storytelling, and storytelling. I like pretty pictures, but I guess I was afraid to touch into that because there is some dark stuff. There’s some dark stuff to being an Appalachian woman. A lot of times, girl babies weren’t safe in their own homes. That’s just the reality of it. 

[There is a lack of detail in the paintings] because I want them to be every woman. When you put a face on an image, it becomes finite. There’s nothing wrong with that at all, but I just think it takes your imagination away. By not putting a face on it, it can be anybody. I have that painting of my granny, but I can’t tell you how many people have said, ‘Oh, that’s my granny.’ The faces have been completely unnecessary. People get what I’m doing; I didn’t know that they would. I’m getting lots of really great responses about my faceless women. It’s not because I’m saying women shouldn’t have a face, or that we don’t have a voice, because I know there’s all these connotations over the years of artists who do certain different things pertaining to faceless women, and it’s always negative. That’s not my reasoning at all. I just want you to say, ‘Oh, that’s my grandma,’ and it could be, because it doesn’t look like any certain person. (Giggles)

The biggest thing that really makes me who I am today, is I am a child of abuse. I went through some abuse, and over many years, I think roaming the hills really helped me a lot, because it helped me become me. I was abused, but that was forty years ago. It doesn’t touch my life anymore. I overcame it. I don’t have hard feelings toward anybody. I’ve made peace with that person. I’ve made peace with them, and I’ve done the forgiveness thing. I completely understand forgiveness these days. I would say that was the hardest thing. I’m telling you these people who hold on to that, it’s just, it’s just eating them. It just destroys you. It did me for a long time. It tried to, but I didn’t let it. 

I think I painted landscapes for a long time because I was afraid to really explore the heart, and the soul, and what’s all in there. I think we all carry that little, dark devil in there that wants to destroy your life.

There are some subjects that I feel like I want to touch on, but I made the conscious choice to keep it to the happier things. There are some subjects, I don’t know, they might have to come out, and that might not be well received. In everything about being Appalachian, there’s some dark, and there’s some beauty. I like to stay on the happy side, though.

(What makes you happy?) My children, of course, I have two, a boy and a girl. My son lives in North Carolina, my daughter lives in Virginia. I have two grandchildren. They’re so much better than kids. (Laughs) They’re much more fun. Some of the things, other than, of course, my children, that make me happy, are when people look at my work, and they get it. I’ve only had a couple of people, who were like, ‘Why’re you doing that?’ Usually I can turn them when I start talking about it, and telling them what I’m doing. That makes me really happy. Yeah. That makes me really happy.

(Question about economy) For me, when I was growing up, I never knew it was bad. I think one thing that would help us is get rid of some of the media attention on the negativity of Appalachia, because it’s brainwashing our children to think that it’s bad to be here. Media causes so much trouble anyway. When it’s presented wrong, the sex, and girls are supposed to look a certain way, and all that, they don’t know what they’re doing to people. I think children should be educated, and education is great [especially] if they could discover that they need to bring that education back to their home place, and make it better. I don’t know all the answers. I just, I know that I’ve lived several different places, and I still come back to the mountains. I don’t know if I’ll ever leave. I like to go visit places, but I want to come back to the mountains. 

It’s like being in the mother’s womb. When I go somewhere where there are no mountains, I just feel so exposed. We went to Alabama a couple years ago, and I’m like, ‘Oh no! Get me out of here.’ Alabama’s a beautiful state. Every state has its beauty, but there were no mountains. I need to feel that. I need to feel that in the trees.

I would like for [others] to remember me as somebody who was proud to be a woman, and proud to be an Appalachian woman. I am. That’s the simplest way I know to say it. (Laughs). I want them to remember me as a kind person, but I’m a person who stands for what I believe. If you’re going to tell a tale on me, we’re going to have words. If it’s the truth now, I’m going to tell you I did it, but if you’re telling a tale on me, we’re having words. That’s just the way it is. 

Oh, my studio is terrible. It’s in my living room right now, since I moved here. I used to have a little studio space, but since I moved here, I just paint in my living room. I paint wherever I can. (Laughs). I love to paint barefoot, and I love for my feet to touch the earth. 

When I was first learning to paint, it’s always so hard to learn to know when to stop. It’s so hard, because you think, “Oh, if I just do this.” I sometimes do some classes for people, and they’ll be like, going, and going, and going, and going. And they’ll ask me, ‘Do I need to do this? Do I need to do this?’ I say, ‘Well, go ahead [screw] it up, if you want to.’ (Laughs). Sometimes you just got to stop. I guess as I’ve done it more, there’s a feeling that happens, and I’m done with that, and I’m not going to go back into it. 

(State of mind when creating a piece) Sometimes there’s music, just whatever the day brings. I can go from old Southern Rock, to Celtic, to Bluegrass, to Gospel, to Classical. I listen to about everything. Sometimes it’s the birds singing; sometimes I listen to a book. I don’t have a formula. It’s the color [and] the feel of the paint, how it feels on my brush, or my knife. 

I’d love to learn to play the dulcimer, I’d love to be a potter, I’d love to be…there’s so many things, that catch my attention. I love history. I love doing things with my hands. I’d love to learn to quilt, but I just don’t think I have enough time for all that. I had to make a decision to stick with one thing, or to become great at one thing. I’m a dabbler, but painting, that’s me.”