Elizabeth Ramey

Elizabeth Ramey, Stay-At-Home Mom; Clintwood, Virginia:

“[I have] lived in Clintwood all my life, right here actually. I am twenty-eight years old; I’ll be twenty-nine in September. I think it was wonderful [growing up here]. Mamaw had a little beauty shop in her house right here, and I would sit there while I was little and while she was doing the women’s hair I would sit there and do the men’s hair. They were patient with me. They let me roll their hair and everything. When I got a little bit older, sun’d come up and hit the woods and I’d come home around dusk and Mamaw would never worry about me. Now, I’m too afraid to let my kids do that. We knew what we could do and what we couldn’t do. We knew how far was too far to go and when we was supposed to come home.

There was a little underground spring that we used to go get water from. We’d go fill little bottles up and my mom used to take me. There’s a few huge rocks and we’d climb them. We’d play in the creeks and watch the animals. That’s what we loved to do.

[After graduating high school] I got married and started having babies. I have four, three boys and a girl. Joey he’s my oldest, he’s ten. He’s shy, but he is a really good kid. He started football this year. That’s exciting for us. Mickey, he just turned nine. He likes basketball; he loves to play games, video games and stuff. Joey is more out-doorsy. Jeremey, he just turned seven not long ago, and he is the baby boy of the family. He gets babied a little bit. He is into a little bit of everything. And then my little girl, she is four. Her name is AloraBeth. She’s named after our great-grandmas. Their names are Alora but they called them Alory. I tacked my name on the end of it there. I’ve truly been blessed with four amazing children, they couldn’t have been better.

My hobbies are mainly my kids, football mom, basketball mom whatever they want to do, I am into. I go with them and do what they want to do. My husband, he plays the guitar a little bit, I do enjoy to sing, but I don’t do that a lot in front of people. I like to hike and stuff.

This is my home. I couldn’t imagine living in a city. People around here, everybody waves at one another. It’s changed a little, but you still don’t worry about your kids as much as you would if you go to a city. 

I went and stayed in Alexandria, Virginia with my aunt for a couple of weeks whenever I was younger. My two weeks were up, and I was begging Mamaw to come and get me, I missed my mountains. She come and got me and brought me home. I don’t really have a desire to leave the mountains. [When I saw the mountains] I was so excited and thankful to be home. Here, everybody knows everybody…up there you, go into a grocery store and there’s such a diversity of people and language, and language is a barrier up there for a lot of people. It was strange for me. 

[69th Annual Dutton Memorial] This is our dinner on the ground. This is our memorial meetin’. I’ve been coming here ever since I was born. Also, it’s kind of like a family reunion for us, because our family comes in. It’s a blessing to be able to do this. I know that a lot of people don’t get to experience this. It’s sad, because I grew up with this. All of our cousins would come, we would always play like they was talking about, you know, even as kids. While we was playing we could still hear the preaching and we still heard the Word and everything. 

[Dinner on the grounds is] a time for family and friends to come together and hear the word of God, and everybody brings a dish. After the singing and the preaching, you sit down and you pray over your food, and you eat your food, you sit there and you just have friendship, and you have all of these people to talk to. It’s held right here on Wildcat Ridge [at the Dutton Cemetery]. It is our family cemetery and there’s nothing like it. I can’t explain what a wonderful time it is for everybody, and we all look forward to it every year.

[Media portrayal] Well I guess they see us as old hillbillies that don’t know much. You can be a hillbilly and know more than they know sometimes. I guess they would have to come here and actually spend time with us and see how we are before they would ever understand what it’s like. We are talking, come stay a week with somebody, two weeks, a month and see that we’re not all crazy hillbillies and that we live life to the fullest that we can. 

We know how to treat one another. We treat everybody the way that we want to be treated, or we try. There’s nobody afraid to help somebody else. We know who God is. We are God fearin’ people, most of us. We know how to enjoy life and enjoy outdoors and be appreciative of it all. A lot of people don’t appreciate what’s right in front of [them]. Everybody is too busy on their cell phone, which I myself have a problem with that sometimes, but it’s good to get out and in the open, and breathe fresh air and have fun.

I think that that is very important. I think that’s important for my kids. I’m glad I live in a small town so that everybody knows everybody so I feel safe, and I feel that my kids are safe for the most part. I like that, I like them being able to do that and have their little friends.

[Passed down traits] My great-grandmother taught me how to smell the rain before it came. It’s so hard to explain, but whenever I was little, right before it would rain she’d say, ‘Can you smell that? That’s the rain, can you smell the rain?’ I recently passed that on to my oldest boy. He’s learned how to smell the rain, and that just tickles me to death. Right before it rains, the leaves turn up and they are a lighter color on the bottom, and she’d say that that was the trees begging for rain and that they needed water. She also taught me to play the pie pan.

She would sit on the porch and she would sing ‘Te I da diddle, Te I da day, Te I da diddle I day, Te I da diddle, Te I da diddle, Te I da diddle I day.’ Little sayings, there was one, I can’t remember exactly how it went --- something about ‘left Old Joe the bone.’ And then there was a ‘frog on a knot, a knot on a log, a log in the hole in a wall on the bottom of the sea.’

My Uncle Tennell, he had a little stickman, and he would put a flat stick under his leg, and the little man was on another stick and he would put the feet on the thing and he would tap it and the little man, he would dance. Oh, that was incredible for us as kids, that was our entertainment. The love of music and the love of God was passed down from generation to generation.

Cooking is another thing [that’s] been passed down. [Appalachian Food] They ain’t nothing like it. It’s the best stuff in the world. Pickled pig ears! My grandma used to love those, pigs feet or pig ears. It is definitely an acquired taste, that is. Cornbread is definitely one of my favorites. My grandma always used to throw just a pinch of salt and sugar in her cornbread. Flitters, and salad. 

We grow our own lettuce and onions and everything. That’s wonderful. There ain’t nothing like growing your own food. [Perfect comfort meal] My grandmother’s tater gravy. It’s the best stuff I’ve ate. Oh, it’s the best stuff ever was. We went on our Senior Field Trip whenever I was in school and I called her a few hours before I got home and was like “I want some tater gravy, fix me some tater gravy.” And she had it waiting on me when I got home. It’s the best stuff ever was. You take milk and butter and your boil your potatoes in it and you mash some of them up not all of them you know, and you take a mixture of oil and flour and you mix that up until it gets the right thickness. I like cornbread in mine. But yeah, that’s one of my favorites is potato gravy and I like my grandpaw’s potato soup, too. He makes some good potato soup.

I’m a hillbilly and I am proud of it. It’s my heritage. It’s who I am. I love my mountains, I love my home. I love my people. I can go stay in the woods all day long and it don’t bother me. We take our kids hiking; we took them to Bad Branch to the waterfalls not long ago. If you go off the point back here, you can go all the way to Crane’s Nest boat dock, on the opposite side of the boat dock. 

My husband he likes to hunt, and he takes the boys when they want to go. They enjoy stuff like that. My oldest loves huntin’. My second boy, he don’t much like huntin’ but he loves to go ginsenging. He likes to go look for that ginseng. My little boy he‘s too much into them video games right now. I have never been really one to [ginseng]. My husband he does it, occasionally, not a whole lot. It’s just a plant that grows in the ground. You go looking for it, you dig it, it’s a root. You bring it and you dry it out, and you take it and go sell it. It’s pretty good money in it, if you find enough of it.

The passing of my great aunt, my nanny we called her, was one of the hardest things I have ever been through; and then the passing of my uncle. I called him Dad a lot. He was like a second dad to me. They were both very special to me. 

My nanny, she couldn’t really talk plain, and she couldn’t walk very good. Some people would say that she was handicapped. She taught us how to love. Now, she taught me what it is to love and what it is to be happy no matter what. She was special, Oh Lord! She was something else. 

She taught us how to smile no matter what. She had multiple surgeries and she had cancer, and not a day went by that she didn’t smile and laugh at us and make us happy no matter what she was going through. It takes a special person to be able to show people that and teach people that. 

Sammy, my second daddy, now he was the one that taught me to shoot a BB gun. That’s where I actually learned how to shoot. That’s something I hold very dear to my heart. I can shoot just about as good as my husband, if not better, occasionally. I don’t think he’ll admit that, but I’m a pretty good shot when I want to be. He would always take me sleigh riding in the winter. We’d go right down this big hill. Oh Lord, that was the best time. He would always have a great big fire in the garage for me and something to eat and drink. And fried flitters! Ohhh, Bonita, my second mommy, she’d have fried flitters all the time for me. It’s like a pancake but it’s also like cornbread. Oh my God, they’re wonderful. Put a little syrup on ‘em.

Lord have mercy, there’s so many [happy times]; being with the family, family reunions. Great-grandmaw’s birthday party was always a big thing. Having our cousins and our family close together mainly on the holidays and birthdays. My grandmother had, I think it was her one- hundredth birthday, down here, and you wouldn’t believe the family that was there, at least a hundred of us, easy to celebrate birthdays. So, family, being together with family, anytime that family can actually come together. That’s my most cherished memories.

My dad, he works at B & K Collision on Caney Ridge. He has been an auto body man as long as I can remember. Good man, good heart, he’s my daddy. Love him better than anything. I think that what I know a little bit about vehicles is from my Dad. If it hadn’t been for him, I probably wouldn’t know much about them. 

My mom she is a hard worker, a good woman. Right now she has been living in Surfside, Texas, working down in there and she is fixin’ to move to South Carolina and start a new job. She goes out and she works these jobs and she makes good money. She does it for us. She does it, and she helps take care of us. If we ever need anything, she is there to help us with it.

They had a rocky marriage, and loved each other and me and my sister better than anything [but they are divorced]. I can’t complain, we have been blessed with good family. My Dad has remarried, she’s nice, and I like her. She is good to me and my kids. Can’t ask for no better than that. I have two step-sisters which they have kids of their own now so that is nice. We’re still working on play dates; they are still pretty small compared to mine. Mine can be a little rambunctious.

(What Appalachia is about) Family, friends, closeness, it’s hard to explain. Heritage. Just knowing who you are really. You get to know who you are here. You get to live a life where you can find yourself and who you are and be close to your friends and family. 

It’s not all about work, and what you can do to make money. It’s enjoying your life and your friends and family and workin’ hard to make a living.“

Bobby Ramey

Bobby Ramey, HVAC Technician, ; Wildcat Ridge, Clintwood, Virginia:

“I have lived here in the mountains all my life. I was raised on Rose Ridge, a neat little place. It was peaceful. I stayed in the woods and beat on the trees with sticks pretty much. Of course, I went to school and all that good stuff. 

I was always interested in nature though. It’s where I spent ninety percent of my time; either hunting or something like that. I love turkey hunting. Spring turkey season is one thing I really enjoy. She [wife, Elizabeth Ramey] gives me an out of jail free card to go turkey hunting.

I play a guitar, which that is a common thing for our area. If you don’t at least have a guitar, or have picked one up at some point in time, you really ain’t from around here. [My music] is just soft stuff that I’ve come up with, country and southern rock, stuff like that. I just picked up the guitar and started playing one day. I was sixteen. 

My boss, he plays and we get together ever now and then and just pick around and play a little bit. It’s usually a Friday evening thing. I love it, its [playing music] peaceful. You don’t have to worry about what you’ve [got] to do tomorrow, or what you done yesterday. It’s there in that one moment playing. 

I don’t get to play as much as what I used to whenever I was younger. I’ve got a large family to take care of. My wife, she is stay at home, so I try to do everything I can. I don’t have too much free time. 

I went to Ervington High School, a very small school. It’s shut down now. It was an amazing school though. If you needed help, you got help. There might have been only twenty-two people in your graduating class, but it was good.

I worked from ninth grade on. I worked for Big Al at 83 Gas and Grocery, so I pumped gas after school and on the weekends until about eleventh grade or so, and then I started working for an auditing company. I worked there on the weekends.

I was working on heavy equipment and I wasn’t getting paid for my overtime. I had known Eric [his boss] for several years. We’re neighbors, pretty much. I was talking to him one day and he said, ‘I’ll show you, come with me.’ I have been working for him for about four years now. I have on the job training. You can read about something all day long, but hands-on is a whole different story. You see it firsthand. I love the electrical side of it. I have been shocked several times so… I enjoy it though. You meet a lot of good people. You’re not doing a lot of the same stuff every day.

My sister, she was born in Colorado, so my mom was over there for a little while. My step-dad, he’s from Michigan. I really didn’t know my own dad very well. They divorced when I was really young. My step-dad raised me. His name is Doug Rose. He drives an oil truck for 83 Gas and Grocery, and that’s how I got my first job.

Alka Mae Bosquette was my grandmother on my mom’s side, or Mae Rose, whichever you prefer. She was a tough little lady. I remember she used to go bar hopping, she did, and she was like seventy something. But she always would carry this little knife with her and she was getting ready to go bar hopping one night and she had that knife down the side of the couch. Somehow, it had opened and she sat right down on it. My brother reached up and pulled it out of her back. 

She had every bone in her body broken at one point and time [from a] bad relationship that was the French side. That’s where you get Bosquette. That was way before I came into the world. She was a wonderful lady though. She passed away of aspiration on the way to the hospital. 

The papaw that I called papaw was actually my step-dad’s dad. Enos Rose. He was a tough booger. Always went shirtless everywhere he went. That was my go-to person. You know you have someone when you are little that always does something with you? He always helped me out. I helped him in the garden and I would go to the store with him everywhere. I got his 12 gauge, which I‘ve got it at mom’s put up. It means a lot to me. I never did get to go hunting and fishing with him. He retired from the Ford Motor Company. He was from Detroit also. Which there was a lot of people that come from Detroit. They had roots here.

I had a very good childhood. I didn’t have to worry about people bringing guns to school and stuff like that. [They taught me to] respect your elders and work hard. That’s why I got a job young. My step-dad told me, ‘if you ever want anything you’d better go get it.’ So I jumped right on that ball. 

[I see myself] living here the rest of my life. I lived in Greensboro and Durham and Raleigh in North Carolina. That wasn’t my home. I was nineteen and twenty. Whenever I worked for the auditing company that’s where they had me at. I was in and out of there for about six years. I got to see the city life and I don’t fit in there. I’m just a country boy. I got to come home for one week out of the month and then I’d go back down. 

But getting down there and out of the mountains, it’s not right. It’s not natural for me. [When I would come home] and I would see the mountains, it gives you a fluttery feeling. There’s nothing like coming home. 

A lot of people, they’ll leave out of here and ninety percent of them always come back. There’s just nothing like this, you don’t have to worry about the hustle and bustle or what the person behind you is going to do to you if you say ‘hi’ or something like that.

(What is Appalachian culture?) The way we think. The way we act. To me, we are more outspoken than others. We’ll speak our mind. We’ll tell people you know, well hey, I think that’s right or I think that’s wrong. Other people around our area will respect that. 

[Coal] is where a lot of people around here got their money. I’m worried that this is going to just be a little ghost town now and plus, they’re coming in with a new highway and it’s going to by-pass Clintwood. If you ain’t got nothing here, the closest Walmart is what, twenty-five miles away? It just makes me worry about our area, I guess.

You have your local shops, they don’t want nothing big to come in, like Walmart or Lowe’s or anything like that. So it’s kinda like a win/lose situation. If you bring somebody in, you’re going to lose all your local businesses. Those are businesses that have been around for years, ever since I was little. If you don’t, what’s going to happen? So what do you do? 

Tourism is a possibility because we are in the mountains, and some people do like to get out and hike. They are working on some trails and stuff around here, which is a good thing. Horseback riding, that’s a big thing around here. Getting people to travel here is the thing, though. If there is nothing here, why would you want to put forth all of the effort to get here to see nothing? You have to drive two hours away to get to do something.

[Media portrayal] They‘ve the wrong point of view, which everybody has one. To me, they think that we are just a bunch of coal miners. It’s hard to put into words. I wish they could live here for a day and walk [in] some of our shoes and see what it’s like. What would I tell them if I could? We are hard workers that’s for sure. We are very proud Southerners. We love our heritage. Coal keeps the lights on, you know.

I’m a hillbilly. To me, it means that I’m a hard worker, I enjoy life. I don’t care about what other people think about me, that’s for sure. We grow our own food. Papaw’s got a big garden back here. I hunt. I fish. Don’t ride planes. I talk to everybody I see. I wave at my neighbors and help them any way I can. To me that’s a hillbilly. 

And of course my accent. That’s a bonus I guess.”

Ray “Pee Wee” Osborne

Ray “Pee Wee” Osborne, Retired; Saltville, Virginia: 

“I was a financial officer at Roanoke Business College, that’s where I graduated from. I was a maintenance planner at Olin Mathieson, and also a financial planner at the Mount Rogers Planning Commission. 

[Growing up] we did just what a bunch of old boys do when they get out. We’d go swimming, shoot marbles, pitch horseshoes, hunt and things like that. [We’d] play a little golf and caddy on the golf course. I guess [my favorite thing to do was] marbles. We used to get on our knees, you know, and wear the kneecaps out. 

You got a knife that’s got three blades in it. You opened the long one, and then you got the other two and you stick it in the ground and flip it up in the air and how ever it comes down, how it lands [is how you score]. 

Sometimes it lands on a blade and on its back, you never know. If you beat somebody, you might be playing for marbles. I’ll put three up and they’d put up three marbles. Marbles was a handy thing then. 

My school years were [the] Saltville Shakers in Saltville, Virginia. We played football, baseball, and basketball. And there for many years, the athletes there were something else. But it’s not like it was then. I guess they probably ruled the valley here then, but Rich Valley had a real good athletic program. 

I’ve fished this river all the way to the Holston River. We used to hunt in the mountains at a place called Sugar Grove. And we’d go up into Bath County too. You catch Bass, Suckers, Red eyes, Perch. 

My mother died when I was one. My Dad died when I was fifteen. When my Dad died, I went and stayed with my sisters until I was 17 [when] I went in the service. 

[I served in] the Army in ’44, ’45, and ’46. I was in the United States, and I was out in the Pacific and I spent quite a bit of time in Honolulu. I was a range setter. You got these 40mm cannons, you got a box out here and you look in a lateral and a vertical on your scope. I don’t remember whether I was lateral or vertical. That puts your gun out there in action. 

We had to do a lot of guarding there. This army we had, they took care of the job. They set down the country, and luckily I didn’t have to go to Germany. They were doing a good job over there. They did a good job in Japan, so I was one of the lucky guys. 

I came back from the service and stayed there and worked [here] for one month, then I left and went to Roanoke. Went to school up there. When I got out of school, I came back and bought me a place there in Saltville [and] got married. 

[We] got two daughters, Vicky and Melissa. Vick is a teacher [and] Melissa is a pharmacist. When she got out of school, she went and worked in a pharmacy down in Knoxville [Tennessee] for four or five years. Somehow or another, a federal agent talked her into going into the FBI, and she did. They sent her out to Kansas City and [she] stayed there fifteen years. Well, [she quit] because she didn’t want to go over in a foreign country and work in a hospital, so she decided she’d get back into pharmacy. 

All of my relatives in Tennessee, most of them are gone. There’s a few left there, but just like one of them. Marvin Brown, he was a magician when it comes to making things; organs, pianos, guitars, fiddles, anything like that. It fell to his son, a guy by the name of Buster Brown. They do the same thing [still] in Mountain City, Tennessee. 

[I’m a hillbilly]. I guess it’s just all of us is hillbillies around here. Yeah, we’re all hillbillies doggone it! The people you growed up with, we all stayed here. Lot of ‘em gone now, but still a good place to live. I didn’t grow up in the city, that’s for sure. [City people] don’t have time to talk to you. [They’re] on the move all the time. 

This [Rich Valley Fair] is for the people. This bottom down here is plumb full of campers and things, and people are vacationing down there. These people come in here, and I talk to ‘em. Got a lot of friends now from this. 
Why leave a place like this? Look around you!”

Billie Mullins

Billie Mullins, Clintwood, Virginia:

“I have lived here all my life. We didn’t have a lot, but we was happy. We had time for each other. All together a different world than what it is now. My mom’s people lived all around in this community, and we visited a lot and we had a lot of cousins to play with. We did have bicycles to ride, but other things was very hard to get because you know how it was. We’d play tag, ride our bicycles, built play houses and worked puzzles.

My dad was a game warden. He was a coal miner and he did the game warden work on the weekends. When he retired from the mines, he took up full-time being a game warden. They gave him a special badge when he retired, saying that he could use that badge if he needed to the rest of his life. I was very proud of him he was a very good dad. My mother, she was a good mother, too. We had a good home.

Before I was born, they had an explosion down at Splashdam. He [my dad] was to go in [to work], but something happened that he didn’t go that day. That’s when the mines blowed up. 

Then, he come up here and he got a job and he walked to work over the hill here and down to the mines. [Me and] my younger sister, she was my niece, but mother raised her, we would come right out here and we would wait for him to come up the hill. 

[He would be dirty] he had to come in and we had no bathroom and he had to wash in a galvanized washtub. He would have coal dust all over him from head to toe. He always changed his clothes and took his bath right at the first start. He didn’t have any trouble getting clean. 

He never got hurt in the mines, thank God for that, but he wound up with black lung, and that’s getting hurt.

I have worked in the nursing home, and I took cosmetology and I had a beauty shop for a while. I still like to work on hair, but with my condition with my back, I can’t do that anymore. But that was what I liked to do. 

I married and had two children [a son and a daughter]. My husband was a coal miner, and he’s retired now. We try to raise us a garden and things like that. 

My daughter was here earlier. They have been living in Texas. She worked down there and now she is changing jobs. They will be moving to South Carolina here in a few days. I’ve had a time with them [my grandchildren]. They have all been good and they’ve all been sweet and I love them with all my heart.

(What makes Appalachians Special?) The love we have in our heart for each other and for our animals. We love our animals. You find a person that loves animals, you can tell what kind of person they are by that. 

We lost our dog in the winter. We’d had him for about fifteen years, and he was like one of the family. He got cancer, so we did everything we could, but then the last time we took him to the vet and he had tests run, they said it was aggressive. When the big snow come, we had an appointment to take him to be put to sleep. 

The big snow come, and we couldn’t get out, so we kindly thank God for getting to keep him that extra two weeks before we took him. I don’t have any other animals right now. I have all of their [her children’s] pets to take care of. My daughter has two dogs until she comes back to get ‘em. 

My happiest time was when I was baptized, that was in 1987. And I have done my very best to live right according to what God wants us to do. I remember it was a snow on, and my brother-in-law and I were baptized at the same time. I did not get cold. I know I had a coat to put on when I got out of the water but there was a snow on you know. I was determined to hit that water so I did. I didn’t chill. I didn’t get cold or anything. It didn’t hurt me one bit. He had helped me and I never felt so clean in all my life as I did whenever I come out of there.

I have had several sad times in my life, losing my dad, my mother and my sisters and my granddaughter. I lost a granddaughter, she was about sixteen, due to drugs. It was terrible, that was very bad. 

I think that the doctors need to quit giving them pills. They started out just giving them to ‘em in handfuls, I guess, that’s a matter of speech about it. But they just give them too much. They got it started and with that and everything else, drinking and everything, you know. I can’t say that she had a big lot of drugs in her system. She had two different kinds that weren’t supposed to be mixed with each other and she was with the wrong crowd. 

Have no idea [what the area will look like in ten to twenty years] but I know I won’t be here. But I don’t know…my mother lived to be one hundred and ten years old. 

I’d like to see it just more or less the same, the fields kept clean, the houses repaired and stuff like that. There’s not much jobs for people. Oh, I’ve seen it change a lot. The coals mines was a great business around here. It was a booming business. Everybody had jobs in the mine. When they had jobs in the mines, most everybody had insurance and they could go to the doctors. Now, even if you have insurance you always get a big bill from them if you go. I mean it don’t take care of a lot of stuff. 

They [the media] think we don’t have any sense, you know. Well, I guess our sense comes from doing. Experience, things like that. It’s like this; they have to go to the store for every meal they eat. Well, we always have our can stuff, our stuff in the freezer. If nothing else, we’d go out and pick plants or something like that in the springtime. And we loved it. Raised greens put them in the freezer, beans, corn, potatoes and cabbage. [My favorite Appalachian meal] Fried chicken, mashed potatoes and cole slaw!

Hillbilly means that I live in the country, and I can go bare feet if I want to. But there is so many people in the city that are going barefooted now; they’ve picked it up off of us.”